Saturday 5 May 2012

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Self employed and recently been declined for a loan by your bank?

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Friday 4 May 2012

Stocks to watch Friday: Dolby, Dole Chesapeake






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WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — Among the stocks that could see active trade in Friday’s session are Dolby Laboratories Inc., Einstein Noah Restaurant Group Inc. and Chesapeake Energy Corp.
Utility operators and power-generation companies — Excelon Corp. EXC -1.17% , Duke Energy Corp. DUK -0.37% , PPL Corp. PPL -0.76% , AES Corp. AES -0.81%  and Pepco Holdings Inc. POM -0.91%  — are well represented in the roster of companies reporting quarterly financial results on Friday. Other notables include Church & Dwight Co. CHD +0.61% , Estee Lauder Cos. EL -0.70% , ITT Corp. ITT -2.05% , Federal Signal Corp. FSS -3.28% , Tutor Perini Corp. TPC -2.63% , United States Cellular Corp. USM +3.39% , Telephone & Data Systems Inc. TDS +0.70% , Washington Post Co. WPO -0.19%  and Arcos Dorados Holdings Inc. ARCO -3.72% , among others.

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Aubrey McClendon, co-founder of Chesapeake Energy, in a March file photo.
Late Thursday, Chesapeake Energy CHK +2.69%  confirmed reports that Securities and Exchange Commission is conducting an informal inquiry, having requested that the company and Chief Executive Aubrey McClendon retain certain documents for the agency. The SEC, Chesapeake Energy said, pointed out that its inquiry “should not be construed as an indication that any violation of the federal securities laws has occurred.” The Oklahoma City-based company and McClendon, who will surrender the title of chairman, intend to cooperate in responding to the SEC’s inquiry. A string of recent revelations about McClendon has called into question corporate governance at Chesapeake Energy, the nation’s No. 2 producer of natural gas. Read more about Chesapeake’s McClendon.

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Dolby Laboratories DLB -2.76%  said it signed a deal under which Microsoft Corp. MSFT -0.13%  will include Dolby’s channel decoding and encoding technology in the upcoming Windows 8. Accordingly, Dolby stands to gain licensing and royalty revenues from original equipment manufacturers for the right to the Dolby Digital Plus technologies. Dolby Digital Plus is incorporated in more than 640 million devices, the San Francisco-based company said. The Microsoft deal came to light as Dolby reported financial results for the second quarter ended April 1. Dolby said it doesn’t expect the Windows 8 deal to have any effect on results for fiscal 2012 because it isn’t expected to ship until Dolby’s 2013 fiscal year. For fiscal 2012, Dolby’s now targeting revenue of $910 million to $960 million.

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Dole Food Co. DOLE -1.47%  said it’s initiated a strategic review, evaluating prospects and options for unspecified businesses. Alternatives that may come up for consideration include a “full or partial separation of one or more of our businesses through a spin-off or other capital markets transaction, as well as other alternatives that will enhance shareholder value,” said David DeLorenzo, president and CEO of the Westlake Village, Calif.-based company. “We are committed to enhancing shareholder value, and this review is a company priority,” he said in a statement. There can be no assurance that the company will pursue or complete any such deals. Also late Thursday, Dole Food reported results for the first quarter ended March 24.
Along with reporting results for the first quarter, Black Hills Corp. BKH -1.04%  lowered its profit forecast for 2012. The Rapid City, S.D.-based company, largely citing expectations for “sustained low” prices for natural gas, said it now anticipates generating earnings from continuing operations, on an adjusted basis, in a range of $1.90 to $2.10 a share for the year, down from the $2 to $2.20 a share forecast in February. Black Hills also noted unseasonably warm temperatures weather in areas where it provides utility service.
NorthStar Realty Finance Corp. NRF +4.21%  said it’s kicked off a secondary public offering of 20 million common shares. Net proceeds will go toward NorthStar making business investments as well as for repurchasing or pay liabilities and for general corporate purposes, the New York-based company said. Underwriter Deutsche Bank Securities will have a 30-day option to buy up to 3 million additional shares to satisfy investor demand if warranted.
TriQuint Semiconductor Inc. TQNT -5.93%  announced a one-year program authorizing up to $50 million in buybacks of the company’s common stock, with repurchases to be made from time to time in the open market or via private transactions. Hillsboro, Ore.-based TriQuint, which last month warned on its second-quarter outlook, said it expects to fund the program from existing cash balances and cash generated from operations. As of Thursday, the company had about 168.2 million shares outstanding.
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Thursday 3 May 2012

Housing finance chief blocked plan to reduce mortgage principal, congressmen say

Housing finance chief blocked plan to reduce mortgage principal, congressmen say

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Updated Tuesday at 5:15 p.m. ET: A top U.S. housing regulator failed to implement a plan to cut loan principal balances for millions of underwater homeowners even though a pilot program showed two years ago it could save taxpayers money, two House Democrats said Tuesday.
Edward DeMarco, acting director of the Federal Housing Finance Agency, which oversees mortgage giant Fannie Mae, "apparently ha(s) been withholding from Congress" documents showing the potential benefits of the program to taxpayers and homeowners, according to Reps. Elijah Cummins of Maryland and John Tierney of Massachusetts. The two Democrats, in a letter to DeMarco that was released to msnbc.com, said they obtained the documents from an independent source.
Cummins and Tierney cited internal documents at government-controlled Fannie Mae describing the pilot program with Citibank, beginning in 2009, that showed that “principal reduction programs have enormous potential to save U.S. taxpayers significant amounts of money.”
Late Tuesday, Demarco responded by saying that the pilot program was ended largely due to "operational concerns" and that "there was not full agreement to proceed" with the program at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
(This story has been updated to reflect DeMarco's response.)
Since last fall, DeMarco has resisted pressure to reduce principal balances on underwater mortgages despite calls from more than 100 members of Congress, who have argued that the action could help reduce taxpayer losses on government-owned loans and keep more families in their homes. So far the government has spent more than $160 billion in taxpayer funds to prop up Fannie Mae and sister agency Freddie Mac.
DeMarco's resistance to the idea is based on his "philosophical" opposition to reducing the amount a homeowner owes, according to a former Fannie Mae official quoted in the letter.  
The collapse of the housing market in 2006 has erased some $7 trillion of equity from the value of American homes and left roughly 11 million homeowners underwater, meaning they owe their lender more than their home is worth.
Those homeowners, effectively unable to sell their homes, are locked out of the housing market and sidelined from creating the buying demand needed to support any housing recovery. Five years into the housing recession, they’re also more likely to consider walking away from their mortgage, adding to the backlog of foreclosures that could further depress home prices, forcing more households underwater.
To help stabilize the housing market, proponents of principal reduction argue that homeowners and lenders are better off avoiding those defaults and foreclosures.
According to the letter sent to DeMarco, those proponents include Fannie Mae officials who were favorably impressed with the results of the Citibank pilot program.
In a December 2009 review, Fannie Mae officials estimated that the pilot program of cutting loan balances would cost about $1.7 million to implement and generate potential taxpayer savings of more than $410 million. That review estimated that "more than half of Fannie Mae customers will see some benefit from the program" within six months.
According to a November 2009 presentation to Fannie Mae's risk analysts, redefault rates on loans given principal reductions in the trial program were "far below rates on other modification portfolios," according to the letter from Cummins and Tierney.
But the program was suspended in July 2010, without explanation, according to the letter. In November 2010, Fannie Mae officials continued to press internally for principal reductions. To make their case, they prepared a research paper that concluded that "Fannie Mae might reduce its losses substantially in many cases by writing down principal." The paper said Fannie Mae losses resulting from foreclosures following default were "large multiples of the amounts by which the loans were underwater," according to the documents cited in the letter.
In response to congressional pressure, DeMarco agreed to review the agency’s opposition to cutting principal balances on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac mortgages. Last month, in a speech at the Brookings Institution in Washington, DeMarco outlined some of the reasons for his opposition to the policy.
“Most Americans that are underwater on their mortgage realize they've signed a contract -- they’ve got an obligation to make that payment and in fact they are," DeMarco said. Those underwater homeowners should be encouraged to continue doing so, he added.
But other government officials argue that by cutting principal or deferring a portion of the balance until a home is sold, some defaults could be prevented, thereby reducing losses and foreclosures. The recent mortgage settlement among 49 states, several federal agencies and five large banks aims to promote the practice by providing those lenders with financial incentives to cut loan balances.
"There is increasing data available, we believe, that shows that ... principal reduction can be good not only for homeowners and communities, but for investors as well," Shaun Donovan, secretary of Housing and Urban Development, told a Senate panel this year. "It can allow people to pay [their bills], stay in their homes and increase the value of those mortgages."
In his Brookings speech, DeMarco repeated his philosophical concerns - an argument also known as "moral hazard" - that offering principal reduction to some homeowners could prompt others who are current on their loans to ask to have their loan balances cut.
“The far larger group of underwater borrowers who today have remained faithful to paying their mortgage obligations are the much greater contingent risk to housing markets and to taxpayers,” DeMarco said.
Philosophical arguments aside, investors holding underwater mortgages have found that, in some cases, they can reduce losses by cutting principal balances.
“Private lenders are doing it for an increasing share of their (mortgage portfolios) when it makes sense,” Andrew Jakabovics, a research director at Enterprise Community Partners, told reporters in a panel discussion following DeMarco’s Brookings speech. “If (Fannie and Freddie) aren’t willing to do it, there are plenty of investors who are buying these notes because economically it makes a lot of sense.”
The White House also has encouraged Fannie and Freddie to include principal reduction as part of their mortgage relief efforts.
The debate took a bizarre twist last month when FHFA's inspector general, who is charged with detecting "fraud, waste and abuse" in the agencies, reported that Freddie Mac alone could save taxpayers “significant” sums of money if it pressed the companies servicing its mortgages to modify more loans. But the amounts to be saved were blacked out at the insistence of FHFA "and/or" Freddie Mac, according to the report.
In his Brookings speech, DeMarco said FHFA would soon complete its review and promised to have an answer within a few weeks. FHFA has now backed away from that timeline and would not provide a date for a decision.
“FHFA continues to work on its principal forgiveness analysis and is in discussions with the Department of the Treasury,” a spokeswoman said Monday. “A final determination ... is being deferred until we conclude these activities.”
FHFA was created by the Bush administration to oversee the bailout of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, government-chartered entities that collapsed under the weight of defaulting loans following the housing collapse.  DeMarco was named acting head of the agency about a year later when his Bush-appointed predecessor stepped down.
In December 2010, President Barack Obama’s nomination to replace DeMarco, former North Carolina banking commissioner Joseph Smith, was approved by the Senate Banking Committee, with three Republican crossing the aisle to support the appointment. But the nomination was blocked by Republicans on the Senate floor, in part because they felt Smith would be too generous in support of homeowners seeking to modify loans held by the government
"He will be a tool of the administration, cutting mortgages, throwing the bill to the taxpayers," Sen. Richard C. Shelby, R-Ala., ranking member of the Banking Committee, told reporters following Smith’s confirmation hearing.
Smith was recently appointed to monitor the compliance of five large banks with the terms of the state-federal settlement over fraudulent and abusive mortgage foreclosure practices. 

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A top U.S. housing regulator failed to implement a plan to cut loan principal balances for millions of underwater homeowners even though a pilot program showed two years ago it could save taxpayers money, two House Democrats said Tuesday.
You are creating moral hazard if you touch principal.
Cut interest to 0% on these people's homes...in fact cut it down for everyone to 1-2%. That money is imaginary anyway from the banks and is being loaned to them for free from the FED.
These individuals need to pay off their homes that they took a risk on. But we can help them by cutting INTEREST, not principal. If you touch principal then you are rewarding bad decision making. These individuals still should have to pay off their home...it's a risk to buy anything.
  • 95 votes
#1 - Tue May 1, 2012 10:41 AM EDT
I concur. Refi the homes at a lower interest but leave principal in tact.
I'm not underwater. Where's my reward for doing the right thing? Oh that's right, I get to keep paying my mortgage and keep my mouth shut, that's my reward.
  • 77 votes
#1.1 - Tue May 1, 2012 11:05 AM EDT
There are all kinds of groups that get benefits that others do not. I, for instance, pay taxes; GE does not. I don't get any subsidies like the oil companies. I don't get to benefit from insider trading like congresspeople do.
Those congresspeople, by the way, who are so concerned about the "principle" of thing but who see no problems with enriching their portfolios with insider knowledge or taking bribes from banks & corporations to create anti-constituent legislation.
But the nomination was blocked by Republicans on the Senate floor, in part because they felt Smith would be too generous in support of homeowners seeking to modify loans held by the government
Your comment is the same as these Republicans. "Sorry, we can't help people, the only 'people' we can help are the banks and corporations for whom we can use taxpayer money for bailouts after they commit criminal acts that cause the disarray that throws people out of jobs and crashes the market and makes it difficult for people to carry on.
  • 70 votes
#1.2 - Tue May 1, 2012 11:31 AM EDT
First, what home owner in their right mind wants to purchase a home for more money than it is worth...hence the need to adjust the principal of the loan to market value. Refinancing without the principal reduction is a win-loose proposition. Foreclosures have a significant impact on the local community not just the previous home owner. If your neighborhood is rife with boarded up homes your property is worthless. It is in the best interests of the lender, the home owner and the community to do both adjust the principal and the interest rate to keep the homeowner in the home.
Lenders are still using demographics not just creditworthiness to qualify people for loans. If your neighborhood has been hit hard by foreclosures you'll find it difficult to find an affordable loan. We the people own Freddie and Fannie and IMHO they should not be given a choice.
  • 43 votes
#1.3 - Tue May 1, 2012 11:49 AM EDT
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I am sorry. The moral hazard is vastly overblown. You are speaking without thinking again.
The people in this circumstance are unlikely to have adequate credit anymore to risk this hazard. This will save EVERYBODY money. LOSSES ARE REDUCED BY A FACTOR OF TEN AT LEAST.
Think! Instead of losing TEN DOLLARS (as TAXPAYERS, NOT as MORTGAGE HOLDERS), we only lose ONE.
AND the housing market improves and people are not out on the street.
The GOP is STUPID. Stimulus SAVES MONEY. Keeping people in their homes SAVES MONEY.
Moral hazard be DAMNED. SAVE THE ECONOMY.
Too bad the GOP is more interested in getting ELECTED than saving the UNITED STATES.
Huh. SCREWING THE COUNTRY for PERSONAL GAIN is TREASON.
You know what we do to TRAITORS in WARTIME, now, don't you?
  • 62 votes
#1.5 - Tue May 1, 2012 11:57 AM EDT
Well put, you can argue all day about "fault", the company for lending to much at to high risk and counting on a every continuing increase in the equity, or the person who overextended to take the European vacation and never planed for a rainy day, but the bottom line is the mortgages are government backed, the mortgage company has been bailed out, so drop the interest and let these people stay in their homes and pay off their debt.
  • 32 votes
#1.6 - Tue May 1, 2012 12:10 PM EDT
I get so tired of hearing the old line about 'rewarding bad decision making'. My house loan is one of those underwater and it has nothing to do with my bad decision making. I have never missed or been late on a payment. The reason is all the foreclosed homes in my neighborhood. The banks got bailed out but I got screwed. You all should stop assuming about other people..........
  • 78 votes
#1.7 - Tue May 1, 2012 12:13 PM EDT
I can understand lowering interest until the cows come home. However, I'll go along with this absolutely ridiculous notion of reducing principal only if people can explain to me how it will be applied FAIRLY to everyone who owns a home and with other types of loans.
How will it work for people who are current on their mortgages and the value of their homes have fallen?
How will it work for people who paid off their mortgages and the value of their home has also gone down?
You're not going to tell me that the people in these situations are not entitled to have their principal reduced, are you?
And if we go ahead with this absolutely ridiculous idea, why should it stop with just home loans? Why won't kids out of college then be allowed to "reduce principal" from their student loans? Why won't people who bought cars, that depreciate on a % basis faster than a house ever could, then get "principal reductions" on their car loans?
These questions aren't rhetorical. For all of you screaming that people should have their principal reduced off of their home loans, I dare you to answer these questions.
  • 36 votes
#1.8 - Tue May 1, 2012 12:16 PM EDT
SUCH a screwed up way we allow the banks TO RUN OUR COUNTRY.
  • 30 votes
#1.9 - Tue May 1, 2012 12:17 PM EDT
James,
I agree that lowering interest rates would solve a lot of this problem. But the "moral hazard" is
a bu!!$h.!t argument. When bankers and Wall Street bigwigs are put in jail for lying to the public and creating these bad loans/credit swaps in the first place, then we can talk about "moral hazards". But not until then.
Or how about, if people must lose their homes instead of renegotiating a bad deal, bankers should then lose their banks and be barred from the industry for making bad loans they knew were going to fail in the first place.
Now that would be fair.
  • 42 votes
#1.10 - Tue May 1, 2012 12:23 PM EDT
If principal is reduced for one group then why not reduce it for all? This is ludicrous, it would nullify the original contract for sale of house at a specified price. Who loses, the lender not the seller. Of course the argument is the lender is crooked but no one held a gun to the buyer's head to buy at said price.
Interest reduction is a good idea. But Fannie and Freddie are to blame for the whole subprime mess and the lenders bundling practices.
  • 17 votes
#1.11 - Tue May 1, 2012 12:27 PM EDT
There was a statistic showing that if the Human People, the homeowners, had been bailed out after the Banking Criminal Activity, instead of the banks, it would have cost the govt way less--and that would be for reducing principle of All Homeowner Mortgages.
No matter whether your mortgage is underwater or not, every homeowner was a victim of Banker Malfeasance. The value of your house declined, and if you had to sell your house, you lost out. There are many retirees living on vastly reduced pensions & savings because of Banker Lies and Fraud. Great tactic putting the victims in hell instead of the culprits.
If the Banks didn't do anything wrong, why are they settling?
  • 33 votes
#1.12 - Tue May 1, 2012 12:37 PM EDT
You guys can just throw ol' Moral Hazard in the garbage. For decades now, Chap. 13 bankruptcy law has allowed those who can afford to own two homes the ability to do a "stripdown," where the mortgage on a 2nd home is reduced to its fair market value, the excess is discharged in bankruptcy, the mortgagee draws up the new documents with smaller payments for the debtor, and we're good to go. So if this is available to the well-heeled, why not the rest of America's distressed homeowners on their first and only mortgage? Declaring bankruptcy is no walk in the park, there is means testing and fraud measures and all kinds of hoops to be jumped through, but it is an impartial venue that can accomplish the resurrection of a debtor-homeowner without all the foot-dragging and horse manure about Moral Hazards.
  • 24 votes
#1.13 - Tue May 1, 2012 12:43 PM EDT
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Once again, the Greedy Obstructionist Party is not looking out for the American People. They clearly don't want average Americans to be able to get ahead, or to stay even for that matter. All they're interested in is the MONEY, which banks get it, and how it can enrich them and their cronies. The CONservatives are all in the pockets of the bankers, and are not on the side of the average American.
If the RepubliCONS were the least bit interested in saving the economy, protecting the average American, or benefiting the standard of living for the middle class, they would say something other than "our ONLY agenda is to defeat Obama!"
How they can claim to love America when they clearly hate the average American is beyond me.
  • 24 votes
#1.15 - Tue May 1, 2012 12:45 PM EDT
S. Williams....good. Then create a new type of "bankruptcy" (call it something like "Home Retention Bankruptcy") for this situation where a homeowner can get his principal reduced. He can keep his home, but his credit goes in the toilet and he'll have to jump through hoops just to be approved, just like any other bankruptcy. I can live with that.
However, if people don't want the stigma, long lasting bad credit and red tape of a bankruptcy, here's what I propose:
There's language in your renegotiation that states if your principal gets lowered and the house is sold at an increased value at a later date, you can't reap any of the profit, the only money you're entitled to is the equity you put into it. Sorry, can't have it both ways.
  • 10 votes
#1.16 - Tue May 1, 2012 12:53 PM EDT
James,
I agree that lowering interest rates would solve a lot of this problem. But the "moral hazard" is
a bu!!$h.!t argument. When bankers and Wall Street bigwigs are put in jail for lying to the public and creating these bad loans/credit swaps in the first place, then we can talk about "moral hazards". But not until then.
Those of you arguing the moral hazard argument is not valid have no idea what you are talking about. I work for a local bank reviewing loan modification requests and other workout requests for troubled borrowers. Over 1/2 of the request I review are by people that want their balances reduced to market value but can afford the current rate and monthly payment. I am told at least once a week by borrower who are current and at a very good rate that unless the bank forgives their balance to market value, they will simply walk away. The moral hazard is there already.
For those of you proposeing a balance forgiveness, what do you do when $50k of a balance is forgiven and the borrower then pays down their home and sells it for more than is now owed on the home. Do you favor that any profits the borrowers make from this type of transaction must first be repayed back to the lender, or are you advocating someone who has $150,000 mortgage balance that has their balance reduced to $$100,000 and then pays the loan down to $75,000 before selling the home, can walk away with $25,000 in cash? I can see the benefits of forbearing principal by setting it aside as non-interest bearing but needing to be repaid at time of sale.
Lastly, what about borrowers that put a signficiant amount of money down on the purchase of their home. I put 30% down on the purchase of my home but now I'm right at 100% loan to value. If is sell the home, I have lost my downpayment, not the lender. So, I'm being penalized for putting money down versus the borrower that financed 100% of their purchase who has no financial loss when principal is forgiven.
  • 21 votes
#1.17 - Tue May 1, 2012 1:01 PM EDT
STLMIke...great post!
I wish there were a way credit agencies could target these people who actually can afford their payments but walk away anyway. They're the ones making this terrible disaster even worse. I say if people fit that criteria, their credit is trashed for 10-15 years.
At some point, there has to be a reward for people who've been paying off their mortgages.
  • 10 votes
#1.18 - Tue May 1, 2012 1:15 PM EDT
I do not think principal should be forgiven, but if it is it should be noted permanently and that person should never be able to do it again, and when they sell their home if there is a profit it should be used to pay the principal that they were forgiven. The money that everyone wants to forgive is part of peoples pensions and 401k's, and they should not lose this money so someone else can live better than they do, when in many cases the people who are over their head are to blame. Look at the whole picture, if the person is over their head on a mortgage and driving a new car and went to the best schools, why should the people who live within their means be paying for irresponsibility. Not everyone was irresponsible but the ones that were should not profit by any of these programs.
Paying for others irresponsibility is getting old, especially when you see how much more comfortably many of them live because of it.
  • 11 votes
#1.19 - Tue May 1, 2012 1:16 PM EDT
Look at the whole picture, if the person is over their head on a mortgage and driving a new car and went to the best schools, why should the people who live within their means be paying for irresponsibility. Not everyone was irresponsible but the ones that were should not profit by any of these programs.
Paying for others irresponsibility is getting old, especially when you see how much more comfortably many of them live because of it.
Amen.
  • 7 votes
#1.20 - Tue May 1, 2012 1:18 PM EDT
I get so tired of hearing the old line about 'rewarding bad decision making'. My house loan is one of those underwater and it has nothing to do with my bad decision making. I have never missed or been late on a payment. The reason is all the foreclosed homes in my neighborhood. The banks got bailed out but I got screwed. You all should stop assuming about other people..........
It has exactly to do with bad decision making. Your house lost value (which was not real wealth) due to foreclosures..well guess what...millions also have. That's a risk you took buying a home. Millions of us know the foreclosures were coming.
Learn personal responsibility. You didn't get lied to on your loan did you? So you bought and made a bad business decision. You bought a home that was over-valued during a boom. Then it lost value. Many of us did not. That is not our problem. It's your problem and you took a risk of buying a home.
Also, what if principal is forgiven and then the house later on increases in value. Are you going to then give that money back to the lender/bank if you make a profit? That's why you cannot touch principal. Too many factors.
If you don't like it, walk away like millions have done.
These questions aren't rhetorical. For all of you screaming that people should have their principal reduced off of their home loans, I dare you to answer these questions.
They can't. There are so many people in different situations. That's why interest should only be lowered.
When you start lowering principal, you then get into the "Well had I known that, I would have bought a home..because at least I would have known that these fake prices would be reduced to realistic values and so on..."
Reducing principal rewards bad decision making and punishes people who didn't buy, have rented or have been current and paying.
If principal is reduced for one group then why not reduce it for all? This is ludicrous, it would nullify the original contract for sale of house at a specified price. Who loses, the lender not the seller. Of course the argument is the lender is crooked but no one held a gun to the buyer's head to buy at said price.
Exactly. The banks and government should refund my rent the last 7 years since I didn't buy. Had I known everything was going to be reduced, I could have just bought instead.
See the issue there folks...you can't reduce principal...
  • 10 votes
#1.21 - Tue May 1, 2012 1:43 PM EDT
Everyone is focused on the people underwater, behind on their mortgage, or in foreclosure and about to lose their homes.
Lets stop for a moment and redirect the attention to the 37% of people in the country who don't own their own home.
I'm in my early thirties and want to buy a home. If you cut these people's principle they will stay in their houses and it will stop the price drop in housing. That cuts me and people like me out of the market because home prices are still vastly overinflated vs what people can pay. I was responsible. I saved money for a downpayment. I didn't take on debt when they were handing out shadow loan for 300k to people who worked at McD's. And everyone and their mother, lawmakers especially, are trying to find a way to SCREW me and people like me.
People need to look at both sides of the issue. These people need to burn for their irresponsibility and people, like myself, should be rewarded for being patient and responsible. We're currently sitting on the sidelines looking and waiting for housing in our area to either come into price range, or for homes to go up and for sale in an area due to these other individuals losing their homes. Quit trying to game the market and the system. You've got over 1/3rd of the country that would love to buy a house. Let those people do what they do and let the market work.
  • 3 votes
#1.22 - Tue May 1, 2012 1:44 PM EDT
No matter what the outcome, the problem was too many people bought houses they couldn't afford with money they didn't have. Both buyers and lenders share the blame. Unfortunately people who were not involved still lost, greed by financial institutions, investors and home buyers wrecked the economy.
  • 6 votes
#1.23 - Tue May 1, 2012 1:47 PM EDT
BlueBurner -
Sure you get tax subsidies. One for each dependent you have. Get out there and work it!
  • 3 votes
#1.24 - Tue May 1, 2012 1:54 PM EDT
JaxA wrote "At some point, there has to be a reward for people who've been paying off their mortgages."
You end up with a house, right? I can understand that some investors (house buyers in this case) want even more preferential treatment of their capital, but why should housing investments be given even more preferential treatment? In other investments, you're only allowed to deduct the interest payments on a loan used to purchase capital against gains. The mortgage interest deduction encourages excessive leverage and loans with too much interest and even more selling.
I think the mortgage interest deduction should be eliminated and replaced with a straight deduction against the capital gains of a house, and the capital gains should also be taxed.
  • 1 vote
#1.25 - Tue May 1, 2012 2:00 PM EDT
A lot of people have no idea what it actually means when they talk of reducing principal.
On most loans, 1/2 or more of your mortgage payment each month goes to interest, while the remaining goes towards paying down the principal. What the loan modifications actually do, is apply the interest already paid to the principal. In effect, they retroactively turn it into an interest-free loan, and then refinance the remaining balance.
For example, lets take a $100k home at 6% interest. Monthly payments are $600/mo, and of that, $325 is for interest. After 5 years, the homeowner has paid almost $20k in interest on that loan, and a little over $16k towards the loan balance. In a loan modification, that $20k paid in interest is instead applied to the balance.
If they do a loan modification, the homeowner only owes $64k instead of $84k. The lender "loses" 5 years of interest ($20k), and they draft a new 30-year loan on the remaining principal (worth $76k interest at the same interest rate). Net Result: $76k revenue from interest, instead of $117k they would have gotten from the original loan term.
The alternative for the lender would be to foreclose, short-sell the property, AND lose out on future interest payments. Net result: A loss of $50k+, instead of $76k revenue from interest
  • 2 votes
#1.26 - Tue May 1, 2012 2:05 PM EDT
I agree with cutting the interest rates but NOT the principal. They borrowed the money, they should have to pay it back. I had to pay mine back. Nobody lowered my interest rate either.
  • 4 votes
#1.27 - Tue May 1, 2012 2:08 PM EDT
Once again the Republicans are not doing their job, except to keep the money, exemptions, and benefits only for the elite. So what else is new! The greedy Banks simply will not lower the interests rates for those in foreclosure or underwater. They simply have NO UNDERSTANDING of what their greedy corruption has done and still is doing to our economy. Their only concern is for huge profits, outrageous bonuses, etc. They seem to think that this problem will disappear over night and can go back to raking in the high interests. We've heard of Banks charging in the 30's for closing costs. When the complaints are lodged about the fraud with the appropriate State & national authorities, nothing appears to be done. Those making the complaints never hear or see anything from the various Departments. The complaints just fall into the "Big Black Hole". Congress and the elite society acts as if it is okay for big businesses to be forgiven CONTINUALLY and hand out our money, but forget the small businesses, middle class , and poor home owners (stop to consider how many times we have bailed out banks due to bad investments, etc.) To help the home owners is considered "Socialism". So what do we call it when we "Bail Out" the elite time after time? After bailing them out, we still have a Recession along with loss of jobs. It wasn't the middle class, small businesses, and poor that created the fraud and corruption on Wall Street/Bank Street. But there's been no visible help for them of any kind in spite of all the media spouting of what is being done. Then, there are the lawyers, who are very willing to take the money from those in trouble, claiming to help them, but then seldom answer their customers questions.
STLMike (post # 1.17), you are obviously a Wall Street / Finance Street Bank character. Your above comments are very manipulative when talking about specific small percentages. What morals did Wall Street and Finance Street display when they crashed our economy forcing millions out of work?? Because of them, there are more than 8.2 million young children living in the streets, and starving. Where's the moral issue there???? Oh, but it's okay to say there is a "moral issue" for those losing their homes to loss of jobs, fraud, etc. Therefore, they should eat the BANKS' LOSSES with high interests (9% and more), and remain under water because of the banks bad judgements, corruption, fraud, overly greediness with interests rates and closing costs that originally caused this problem. Also, you neglected to mention that it is the elite, who use the LLC's to avoid getting a bad credit rating due to their home listed under a business company. No need to answer! Society has already heard enough about how it's the fault of the middle class and the poor along with various other manipulated excuses. You can't trust Wall Street and Bankers anymore than you can throw a brick house. And that is putting it nicely!!!
  • 8 votes
#1.28 - Tue May 1, 2012 2:08 PM EDT
"Fannie Mae officials estimated that the pilot program of cutting loan balances would cost about $1.7 million to implement and generate potential taxpayer savings of more than $410 million."
Obviously something is not being reported truthfully here. There is no way on earth that forgiving a measly $1.7 million of OWED debt causes a SAVINGS of nearly half a BILLION.
  • 3 votes
#1.29 - Tue May 1, 2012 2:11 PM EDT
Let's see, if we stall the housing market recovery we stall the economic recovery and our chances for getting the Presidency back improve - Republicans.
  • 2 votes
#1.30 - Tue May 1, 2012 2:12 PM EDT
I just love how the article says "the housing collapse of 2006". You wanna bet on that? I purchased a house in 2006 and it seemed like the top of the market at that time. $570K @ 6 3/4%. I ended up underwater and talked to my bank about a refi when interest went way down, They of course said "SURE", just give us money for a new title search and an appraisal and we'll just add a couple new fees, but we'll roll it all into your new mortgage so you won't feel a thing. I told them to F themselves and paid off my house with cash. So who is going to get some of my money back for me when the libs start reducing everyones principle? Like President Obama keeps saying it should be FAIR.
Eric - the progressive/liberal Congress and President Obama have done just fine stalling our economy all by themselves. They don't need republicans to help them. Tell the Senate to act on some of the bills that the House has sent to them and we might see some improvement.
  • 5 votes
#1.31 - Tue May 1, 2012 2:14 PM EDT
You end up with a house, right?
Right, but the people had their principal reduced ended up with a house too, just for less than what they agreed to, where as those that kept current had to pay the full value. What's your point?
I can understand that some investors (house buyers in this case) want even more preferential treatment of their capital, but why should housing investments be given even more preferential treatment?
Am I misunderstanding something? Are you saying that the mortgage interest deduction, that's there for everyone who owns a home, is the reward for responsible people who pay on time? And that taking it away, or diminishing it somewhat, for people who have their interest or principal reduced is the penalty?
I'm not sure I'm following.
  • 2 votes
#1.32 - Tue May 1, 2012 2:16 PM EDT
I just have one quick question, how soon is this deMarco ass going to lose his job?? Just another example of what happens when the repugs collectively blocked a permanent nomination.
  • 6 votes
#1.33 - Tue May 1, 2012 2:26 PM EDT
Another political stooge putting his politics in front of America.
  • 6 votes
#1.34 - Tue May 1, 2012 2:28 PM EDT
Reducing interest rates (for everyone) sounds reasonable - especially considering banks are getting money from the government at 0%.
As to reducing principle...sure, as long as someone reimburses me for my investment accounts being underwater...
Some people made bad house purchases, and they need to learn from their mistakes. If we just give them money (i.e.; reduce the principle), they are not going to learn anything. I know several people that have filed for bankruptcy, and from what I can see - they never learn, and they usually file again in another 7 to 10 years.
If there was actual lender fraud involved, then I'm fine with principle reduction. If it was just a bad decision buy the homeowner, I feel sorry for your situation, and I hope you learned a valuable lesson - but I'm not going to bail you out unless there are significant other factors that contributed to your situation (such as large, reasonably unforeseen medical bills).
  • 2 votes
#1.35 - Tue May 1, 2012 2:38 PM EDT
What was morally wrong was the loan brokers who did not run background checks, but claimed they did, who claimed houses were worth what the market would support, when they were not, who pocketed the money by stealling from the home owner and lying about it to the banks. The theft has already occured, and the theif was not the home owner. Niether was the money stolen from the home owner, it was stolen from the banks and their investors. But the banks and investors want the home owners to pay them back. That is what is morally wrong.
  • 2 votes
#1.36 - Tue May 1, 2012 2:38 PM EDT
JH....are you saying you purchased a half-million-dollar plus home and paid your balance off IN CASH after six years (or fewer)?? Now, if you still own the house, by my reckoning, that solidly puts you in the top 1% as far as income (or net worth, if you have family money), so your views on this subject are certainly in keeping with the other millionaires/billionaires out there....so no surprises there.
  • 3 votes
#1.37 - Tue May 1, 2012 2:42 PM EDT
EXCELLENT posts here today by JaxA & STL Mike ! I couldn't have articulated how I feel better.
Principle reduction is a terrible idea. It would be the start of many a slippery slope tol financial moral decay. Not that many of the bankruptcies we have today aren't already morally repugnant. Next up, student loans.! Oh that's right, Obama already came up with a plan to forgive those via a little something he sneaked into the Obama Care bill. Nancy was right, they needed to pass it so all of us people who live and play by the rules can see how they're going to get screwed.
  • 3 votes
#1.38 - Tue May 1, 2012 2:50 PM EDT
Cnhit,
Not sure what part of the country you live in where home prices are "vastly overpriced" for peoples' incomes unless its what has been historically a high price area like NYC. Now more than ever has been a time to buy in the majority of the country due to the price corrections that occured when the bubble burst.
Maybe it's time to save your money and move to an area where housing costs are more in keeping with personal incomes. My parents finally managed to leave the Northeast and were able to buy a whole lot of house with a very minimal property tax load compared to what sellers and the state wanted back home.
Many times in my and my family's life we've had to dip into that well of pioneer spirit, that has characterized American life, and set out for greener pastures.
  • 2 votes
#1.39 - Tue May 1, 2012 2:52 PM EDT
"Fannie Mae might reduce its losses substantially in many cases by writing down principal."
I guess that would logically mean that the program MIGHT NOT as well. Much ado about nothing.
#1.40 - Tue May 1, 2012 2:54 PM EDT
I think the bad decisionmaking wasn't done by the homeowners, it was the banks and others who saw a moneymaking opportunity in the context of regulatory neglect and went for the grab. Taxpayers bailed them out with low-interest loans which they then loaned to banking customers at usurious rates.
Banks threw half the country out of work, caused wages to freeze up or decline, put the others in low-pay, no-benefits employment. If you put a dollar value on the mess they caused, it would be in the trillions.
Don't talk to me about bad decisionmaking. People would still be living in those homes, paying mortgages, building savings were it not for Bankers BadDecisionmaking..
  • 3 votes
#1.41 - Tue May 1, 2012 2:56 PM EDT
I too am against cutting principal, however, the idea of deferring a portion till the home sale is valid. It will give the homeowner an immediate relief while also allowing for a reduction in foreclosures and a recoup of original loan amount when realized at the final sale.
A reduction in interest is a no-brainer and should have happened for every homeowner by now, regardless of having to re-finance. If the banks are getting interest free loans then that should trickle down, without question.
  • 2 votes
#1.42 - Tue May 1, 2012 2:56 PM EDT
"DeMarco repeated his philosophical concerns - an argument also known as "moral hazard" - that offering principal reduction to some homeowners could prompt others who are current on their loans to ask to have their loan balances cut."
So the people who made bad decisions should be rewarded with discounts, but responsible people should pay the full price PLUS subsidize those who made bad decisions.
That sounds like something liberals would fully support.
  • 3 votes
#1.43 - Tue May 1, 2012 2:58 PM EDT
I am completely against reducing the principal balance on these loans. These people took on the debt willingly. They made a bad investment and no they want someone else to pick up the tab for that. What about all the people who are underwater yet continue to honor their obligations?!?! Wouldn't they be entitled to a principal reduction as well!!! How do you determine who gets a free handout and ho does not?!?! What about those who sold house and had to pay money at closing because they were underwater, do they get that money back?!?! If you start reducing principal for those who overextended themselves and took on mortgages they could not afford you are rewarding their poor judgement. What about those who refinanced, taking equity out of their homes so they could buy new cars, boats, take expensive vacations, etc. They are now underwater because they used their home like a piggy bank. They would not be underwater if they had not drawn off all the equity during the boom. Do these people get rewarded with a principal reduction too just because they are no in financial difficulty of their own making?!?!
People need to understand that you are responsible for your own decisions and you pay the price when you make a bad one. To socialize those losses at the expense of those who were responsible is completely wrong!!!
  • 4 votes
#1.44 - Tue May 1, 2012 3:00 PM EDT
Not going to venture into the morality of touching principle or not. But I do agree that interest would be the least complicated target. And it would still make a solid dent in monthly payments.
As to the idea that those that are able to make their payments should receive a reward as well. I don't really agree. I'm happy that I have the ability to make my full payments. If someone else loses a job, or gets hurt, I don't begrudge them any help they might get. A civilized nation should have safety nets for these sorts of things.
However, someone else falling on bad luck doesn't mean that I should get some sort of treat because of it.
  • 1 vote
#1.45 - Tue May 1, 2012 3:05 PM EDT
Perhaps the 'fair' thing to do is to put a portion of the loan balance in 'abeyance', wherein they make no payments on that portion of the loan (same effect as a reduction on monthly payments), but when the house is ultimately sold, the portion of the loan in 'abeyance' has to be paid back before the homeowner gets any profits.
That would seem to be a win-win situation, wherein the homeowner gets the benefit of a much reduced monthly payment that allows them to remain in the home, but they do not get a financial gain over those who actually make the agreed payments. The portion of the loan in 'abeyance' would continue to accrue interest, but no payments would be made until the house is sold.
#1.46 - Tue May 1, 2012 3:11 PM EDT
DeMarco "It's mine all mine. I got mine so F__— You!"
This guy has no moral high ground being the spokesperson for the greedy, corrupt, larcenous banking interests to talk about a "moral hazard".
The interest should 0% just like the banks get from the Fed. We should have bailed out the citizen homeowners, not the banks. That was a going away present from "Shrub" to his "base".
  • 4 votes
#1.47 - Tue May 1, 2012 3:13 PM EDT
If true this Sum-bitch "DeMarko needs to be taken out and shot, hung, then burnt!
  • 1 vote
#1.48 - Tue May 1, 2012 3:24 PM EDT
what about seniors on fixed income? i am underwater buy 300% trying to make ends meet on fixed income never late on payment. need to have loan modified for lower payment. it is a adjustable loan that the bank put on hold the adjustments present rate 7%. if obama wants reelected he must address this issue also congress needs to act. housing market is very important to the economy we must fix it or recession wil continue and get worse.
  • 1 vote
#1.49 - Tue May 1, 2012 3:31 PM EDT
Soon the whole country will be full of abandoned homes...look at Detroit. Is that what we really want for America?
Within a block of my home (underwater but I've never missed a payment) are at least 6 homes in foreclosure. It's sad to see them sit there, grass unmowed, basic maintenance undone, etc. I'd rather have homes full of families even if contracts need to be renegotiated to do so.
  • 3 votes
#1.50 - Tue May 1, 2012 3:43 PM EDT
I read about the program and tried to find information. However, banks "knew nothing about it," and mortgage companies would not comment. Finally I did make contact with a RE Broker who said the program was stiffled by the White House.
#1.51 - Tue May 1, 2012 3:47 PM EDT
Mike,
Just curious...if you are on a fixed income, why did you buy a house you couldn't easily afford? What would you have done if the bubble hadn't burst yet?
It sounds to me like you gambled on being able to flip the house and you lost...
  • 1 vote
#1.52 - Tue May 1, 2012 3:54 PM EDT
If these people can't make the payment, they can't make the payment. No amount of philosophical principals are going to change that. When these banks foreclose (and in a majority of these cases THEY WILL), then the contract is breached and the bank is out the difference in the loan and market value. Now, you have the additional economic impact of a homeless family and an abandoned property. The banks, FNMA, and other stakeholders still lose.
If you can pay your mortgage with no help, that's great. You have no reason to be resentful of people who find themselves in a once in a generation economic crisis. While these people are staying awake all night wondering if their children are going to sleep in their van tommorrow, I seriously doubt they are giggling to themselves about how they got one over on Uncle Sam.
  • 1 vote
#1.53 - Tue May 1, 2012 4:32 PM EDT
Goddamn republicans never miss a chance to stick it to those in trouble, or the poor. Republican Senators blocked the nomination of "Joseph Smith" to replace DeMarko, with the goddamn Shelby of Alabama saying Smith would only be cutting mortgages and throwing the bill to the tax payers. Shelby obviously thinks the taxpayers are fools. Taxpayers had to, and are yet, having to foot the bill for this mess. I despise the goddamn republicans!
  • 5 votes
#1.54 - Tue May 1, 2012 4:41 PM EDT
@ Tiggle. I have to disagree with you. Why, if I'm current on my loan and underwater do I only qualify for a refi that I have to pay for and those that are behind on their payment get a principle reduction? How is that fair? Look, the greedy banks and their careless practices that misled buyers to think they were getting in on the housing market before values kept going up resulted in this mess. My home is worth $75k less than it was when I bought it (Tucson, AZ) and I can't imagine it will ever return near to what I owe on it. Why shouldn't the banks be responsible for correcting their errors and actions? We have rights as taxpayers and being lied to and misled shouldn't be one of them, especially when it comes to home ownership. I'm beyond UPSET over how long this has all taken and we're still not anywhere close to a housing crisis resolution. Our government is too concerned with elections and bickering on Capitol Hill about who's the better party, while all of us hardworking Americans are forced to sit on the phone with Bank of America for an hour and listen to a $12 an hour employee tell us they're going to transfer us now because we've been directed to the wrong department. The entire system is broken and our government is fighting over birth certificates and solar panels. I will give BofA one more shot at fixing my situation and if I'm not satisfied, I'm short selling my home and never buying again. How can I when I've experienced what I have and learned about how much this means to Congress by their total lack of commitment to fixing what is keeping our economy down? I can't spend money on goods to stimulate the economy if I have an inflated mortgage that hangs over my head like a 2-ton elephant.
  • 2 votes
#1.55 - Tue May 1, 2012 4:42 PM EDT
Kman,
I'm in a historically high area in the North Eastern United States. However, housing prices have had insane returns of even prior to the boom going back to the 90's when I was still in High School and College. Real Estate should not increase at a rate of 7%+ (rule of tumb prior to the bust) when wages are stagnant and inflation was low to non-existant. All that atop money for nothing from the FED to loan. This is a bubble that has been building for over 20 years. It's got a hell of a popping to go.
The point is I've got a stable and good job here. Housing prices are falling here. But they are not falling as hard or as fast because of all the dancing that we're doing in the housing market and banks refusing to foreclose and take their losses to market. If you want a great big house with little cost sure go to South Florida (where I was previously before my company relocated to the North East) or Nevada, oh wait there are no jobs there. See that's the rub. When making the decision of house or job, job wins out first and always. Lots of people here are renting that want to buy, and we're getting there. Rents are 'almost' at what the cost is to buy in the same area. Just a little more time and if people quit screwing with the market it will get there.
I'm just not going to sit here and be silent while people, or the politicians that represent them, that made bad decisions try to weasel out of those decisions and screw me in the process.
  • 2 votes
#1.56 - Tue May 1, 2012 4:45 PM EDT
Jax A,
You asked: "How will it work for people who are current on their mortgages and the value of their homes have fallen?
How will it work for people who paid off their mortgages and the value of their home has also gone down?"
For those of us with the good fortune to have stayed current; we may be paying more, but we are not losing our homes. On the other hand, many of us are trapped in those homes by an inability to sell them without raising $1k's or $10k's of extra dollars to repay the balance of the mortgage. And each of the homes which go into foreclosure depress the market price of our homes, worsening our trap. So we sit, waiting for the next crisis to put us in the delinquent status as well.
For those with no mortgage but devalued houses, the spiral works the same way. Each passing month of more and more foreclosures places more downward pressure on one of their greatest assets. While I don't believe that we should consider our homes as an investment, like the realtors all tout; in reality, houses are the largest single asset held by the vast majority of home-owners in America. And as long as the glut of houses in foreclosure or legal limbo continues, the market for those houses will remain constrained at low prices.
  • 1 vote
#1.57 - Tue May 1, 2012 4:45 PM EDT
What morals did Wall Street and Finance Street display when they crashed our economy forcing millions out of work?? Because of them, there are more than 8.2 million young children living in the streets, and starving.
...Good Grief
  • 1 vote
#1.58 - Tue May 1, 2012 5:23 PM EDT
Comment author avatarGlenn Peachvia Facebook
If Real Estate grows @ about 3-5% annually without improvements for about , I don't know forever, How did I make a bad decision when it suddenly drops about 25 -30% overnight? Remember the old saying you can't go wrong with Real Estate as an investment? I'll grant you a lot of this is bad decisions on the part of our government when they began implementing programs to get every swinging dick into a house & mortgages were given' to people who were not qualified to purchase a house. I had nothing to do with that. I'm still in my house, I'm not underwater, but I have no equity even though I put down over 30% and have made 1/12 additional payment each month since I moved in 9 years ago. I can't speak for everyone, but not all the people losing their homes made Bad decisions. I was 6 years away from paying off my old house when I bought this one & it would be great not to have a house payment now, it is what it is & I make my payment every month on time. I'm lucky, I have sufficient fixed income to do this because I'm retired. If I was still in the workforce, & unemployed for an extended period I might be losing my home just like many others right now. Doesn't mean I made bad decisions or was Irresponsible.
  • 1 vote
#1.59 - Tue May 1, 2012 5:41 PM EDT
Wow, the people demanding free stuff are out in force again! Look, DeMarco is OBAMA's guy, but he was the temporary head of the agency. I don't know what party he belongs to, if any, but it's irrelevant anyhow. None of the plans put forward work, and for some pretty basic economic reasons, the gist of which is that you can't get something for nothing.
Let's pretend for just a minute that if principal reduction occurred that, as the article claims, banks AND taxpayers would benefit, or, looked at another way, suffer less. So why are banks not clamoring for such a program? You leftists and progressives need to think, if this is possible, about why these greedy firms you despise (which you claim only want to pad their wallet at your expense) are unwilling to do that which you claim makes emminent sense. Could it be that you have missed something in the equation? For instance, if we pay down the principal for those underwater who are in jeopardy of foreclosure only, then won't those at the margins stop paying their mortgage too, hoping to get in on the gravy train?
But there is a much larger problem with all of this conversation, and it's a problem I am pretty sure no leftist will understand. A major function of the government is to compel contract compliance so long as the laws are followed, whether that means fraud was detected (a major complaint of the left that has virtually no evidence of occurring), or it means someone needs to go through the bankruptcy or foreclosure process. If it's a good idea for a bank to forgive some principal in order to keep the loan alive they will do just that, else your claims they are only greedy are lies. What we have today are large swaths of people demanding that the government not only NOT enforce contracts, but do everything they can to upset them and render them null and void, so that these people can get something for nothing, excuse their bad behavior, and slough the burden off onto future generations.
Sorry, but if we aren't already neck deep in moral hazard I don't know what to call it. Leftists, so far anyhow, have done everything possible to keep the RE market from hitting bottom so that inventory can't clear, assets can't find a true market value, and we can't clean up the mess.
  • 1 vote
#1.60 - Tue May 1, 2012 5:51 PM EDT
The people I feel for are those whose mortgages are at a much higher interest rate than current rates, but can't refinance because their mortgage is underwater. Many people got talked into short-term mortgages with balloon payments at the end or increased interest rates after a few years because these type of loans were offered at lower intitial interest rates than long-term fixed-rate mortgages. People were led to believe that home prices would never go down and they could always re-finance when the balloon payment came due, probably at a even lower rate. Now many are forced out of their homes after making thousands of dollars in payments because their monthly payment increased after the initial teaser rate expired, whereas they could still afford the payments if they could obtain a loan on the same principle amount at current mortgage rates.
  • 1 vote
#1.61 - Tue May 1, 2012 5:52 PM EDT
PAY your bills all you deadbeats, I do !!!
  • 3 votes
#1.62 - Tue May 1, 2012 5:57 PM EDT
An Independent Thinker... No, I am not a Wallstreet type. I am 31 years old have worked and lived in St. Lousi all my life. I paid my way through undergrad, and then an MBA and a Masters in Accounting and have my CPA. I have never worked high up in the organizations I have worked for and do not agree with every decision that upper management has always made. That is one of the reasons I went to work for a locally owned, community bank. I at least have daily acces to upper management and can at least put in my two cents about what I see on a daily basis in reviewing loan modifcations.
Over the last three years, I have worked tirelessly to help the bank avoid foreclosing at all costs up to forgiving pricnipal. We have granted distressed borrowers that are deeply underwater loan modifications as 0% to reduce the balance and do not make dime of income from them. In many cases, however, we cannot modify a loan to an affordable payment. What should we as the lender do when someone has drastic reduction in monthly income where they cannot even afford to pay the homeowners insurance and real estate taxes. I see this happen quite a bit where a borrower was making six figures but is now making less than $40k per year and cannot afford the monthly escrow payment, much less repaying principal. In those cases, we try to give them time to sell the home as a short sale and get out of a bad situation. However, there are many cases were we agree to not accept any payments for 6 month and front the money to pay the escrow provided the borrower agrees to list the home as a short sale. Too many times, the six months goes by and no sale contract. In fact, in many cases, the borrowers listed the home to buy time but never showed it once. The bank is then left with no other option but to foreclose. By the way, over 75% of our foreclosures last year were on non-owner occupied properties where the homeowner was collecting rent from a tenant but not paying the bank. We have no other choice to foreclose and then allow the tenant to pay us direclty to finsih out the terms of their lease. 9 times out of 10 the tenant also stops paying but won't leave the house either. What can we do in these situations as well? One thing that you do not hear reported much in the media is the amount of foreclosure that were 2nd homes or investment properties.
  • 1 vote
#1.63 - Tue May 1, 2012 6:15 PM EDT
I am underwater in my mortgage, but let me give a little history for the a$$holes on here who continue to insist that it is "the homeowners' fault.
I bought my home (foreclosed due to a divorce) 19 years ago (1993) for $100,000 (rounded numbers). in 2006, I had $204,000 in EQUITY (value, $304,000). My house is a 1978 split level. By 2006, it badly needed a new furnace (barely limping along and wasting tons of oil), new windows (old windows you could see the curtains blow when the wind blew) a new sliding back door (the old bronze one couldn't be fixed anymore) and a new roof (it didn't leak, but this necessitated everything when my insurance company saw curling asphalt shingles and said they were going to drop my insurance if I didn't get it replaced). We decided as long as we were doing this, we might as well get the kitchen updated, (was 'contractor special' junk cabinets and counters and sink, worn out appliances, and no dishwasher). Took out $140,000 in equity...now owed $240,000...mortgage went from $950 p/m to $1635 p/m. I paid my own taxes and insurance. No problems. Then came Bush's 2008. My house dropped from $304,000 to $230,000. I didn't like losing the remaining $64,000 in equity, but since we had no intentions of selling the house, and I saw things like DeMarco apparently thought, I decided, I did take out that equity and benefited from it, so I owe it back. Come 2009, it got worse than expected. My wife's income (she works in MRI in a hospital, one of those jobs that was supposedly recession proof) lost hours, let alone overtime. The mortgage now became a hardship. Not only did we fall behind on a few payments, at that time our small town (their treasurer embezzled almost 2 million dollars, when they caught him, he went to prison but they never recovered any money) cried to our mortgage company (Chase) that they wanted tax money now! (They did this with all residents, not just us) When I need money, I have to sacrifice something...when the governmnt needs it, thy just change the rules and take it. When we couldn't magically come up with $5,000 on demand,Chase slammed us into an escrow program and paid the taxes without our consent. Now we owed $1635 mortgage, $400 p/m escrow for yearly taxes, plus another $400 p/m for the taxes that they paid. My wife's income stabilized and we got back on our feet, but the 'mortgage payment' was now $2435 p/m. We couldn't do that. Now here's where it gets good.
I called Chase. I didn't ask for a mortgage reduction type of modification. I just asked them to apply the missed payments, and the escrow they paid, to the end of the loan, stop paying the taxes (I would resume paying them as I had for 15 years with no problems, the town's problems were over now) and I would simply continue to pay my $1635 p/m. I jumped through all their hoops, and they said call them back in 30 days. I did. They said they hadn't made a decision yet, call them at 60 days. I did...same answer, call them at 90 days. I did...same answer, call them at 120 days. Hey, I fell for it, I tried to call them at 120 days. When you call, you get a machine. You have to punch in your account # and the last 4 # of your SS#. Then they know who's calling, and you listen to elevator music until a person answers. This time, I did all that and the machine disconnected me. I tried two more times with the same result. Hey, I'm naive, okay? I thought "They're having trouble with their line, I'll try again tomorrow." When I got the same result for a week, I contacted my lawyer. On my account page online, where I paid my mortgage every month, I was locked out saying it was deactivated until I called Chase, which I couldn't do. Catch-22. My lawyer contacted one of their lawyers. She said she'd find out what was going on and get back to him. It's been two years, and he hasn't heard from her or been able to contact her again. Please explain to me now who's being unreasonable and causing the problems? Or how any of this was MY fault? Or who actually has the "morality problems"? The banks and mortgage companies caused all our problems, their continuing to exacerbate our problems, by blocking any attempts by this administration to alleviate our problems, the Republicans are aiding the banks in making the problems worse. By continuing your whining about how all this is "our" fault, you're allowing them to make the problem even worse. Pretty soon, I hope, you will finally realize that maybe all of our problems are actually "your" fault.
#1.64 - Tue May 1, 2012 7:13 PM EDT
Jax A,
You asked: "How will it work for people who are current on their mortgages and the value of their homes have fallen?
How will it work for people who paid off their mortgages and the value of their home has also gone down?"
For those of us with the good fortune to have stayed current; we may be paying more, but we are not losing our homes. On the other hand, many of us are trapped in those homes by an inability to sell them without raising $1k's or $10k's of extra dollars to repay the balance of the mortgage. And each of the homes which go into foreclosure depress the market price of our homes, worsening our trap. So we sit, waiting for the next crisis to put us in the delinquent status as well.
For those with no mortgage but devalued houses, the spiral works the same way. Each passing month of more and more foreclosures places more downward pressure on one of their greatest assets. While I don't believe that we should consider our homes as an investment, like the realtors all tout; in reality, houses are the largest single asset held by the vast majority of home-owners in America. And as long as the glut of houses in foreclosure or legal limbo continues, the market for those houses will remain constrained at low prices.
So the argument is 1) "you don't lose your home" and 2) "your neighborhood has less foreclosures so your property value stays higher."
THIS is the argument for fairness?? Seriously? Because at the end of the day, if you reduce the principal for some people (whether they've genuinely fallen on bad times or they CAN afford to pay but choose not to and opt for this "reduction of principal") but not for others, BOTH OF THE ABOVE ARE STILL TRUE...it's just some people are paying full value of what they actually agreed to, and others are not.
So again, how is this fair?
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#1.65 - Tue May 1, 2012 8:05 PM EDT
If you can pay your mortgage with no help, that's great. You have no reason to be resentful of people who find themselves in a once in a generation economic crisis.
It's not about being resentful, it's about how to apply something fairly.
So far, I've read a lot of sob stories about how everything is the banks' fault (including people losing their jobs and their assorted health crises , etc., which of course, is always the banks' fault) but not a single answer as to how to apply this "principal reduction" fairly.
I've heard from two posters "oh, you get to keep your house" and "your property values won't go down" but at the end of the day, those given the "reduction" got to keep their house too, and the neighborhood's values didn't go down, either.... the difference being they don't have to pay what they signed a contract for while the others do (or already did).
But I do want clarification from people making the "oh, you get to keep your house" argument. Are you saying those who are current and can afford their houses, and were responsible throughout SHOULD NOT get a "principal reduction?" If not, why?
And since I have to lead quite a few people down the logical path that eludes them so greatly...if you answer the opposite, and say "well, OK, yes the responsible people should get it too".... then what? How will any bank be able to enforce any signed loan or contract if they know the people who signed can just get a reduction after the fact?
Is there a particular reason why people can't answer these questions? Are they conceptually that difficult?
#1.66 - Tue May 1, 2012 8:23 PM EDT
How will any bank be able to enforce any signed loan or contract if they know the people who signed can just get a reduction after the fact?
People aren't seeking a reduction just because they want to. The reduction is the penalty Banks pay for ripping people off, causing them to lose jobs, devaluing their savings and pensions. If Banks stop indulging in criminal activity, no one will seek damages.
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#1.67 - Tue May 1, 2012 8:31 PM EDT
Hi steel toed boot,
I can't take all you wrote for granted as it it only your side. I'm sure Chase has a different perspective on the facts of your particular case. But IF what you say is exactly as it all occurred then your rememdy is simple: Chase has violated the contract you signed with them, and you can compel them to obey that contract. If taking those tax monies was not permissible in your contract then Chase violated the contract there too, and while there may be no actual harm since it is a tax you seem to imply you would have had to pay anyhow, they had no legal power to take either tax amount from you, but particularly the previously paid taxes you imply Chase paid on your behalf.
It is this last part, and maybe you weren't clear or I didn't understand properly what you wrote, along with your concluding remark, that makes me highly skeptical that you have told the entire truth about your own situation. Banks simply do not pay someone's taxes and then, later, collect them in installments. The failure to pay taxes wouldn't be a bank's fault, per se, unless they had previously collected the money and then misappropriated it, but even there the local governing authority would come after you, not the bank. So it is all over America. So your story doesn't ring exactly true.
But your conclusion, that republicans and banks are working together to make the problem worse, really puts the final detail on your disingenuity. I don't need to defend banks, or republicans, to make the case. I asked the question before and no one, really, will be able to answer it with anything remotely connected to economics or finance, but it's this...Why would a bank do that which will cost it more money if the solution to all these various problems is so simple and obvious, and opposite of what the bank is doing, if the bank simply cares about its bottom line and nothing else?
It isn't that I think you are a liar, but I do think there is more to your story that if we knew it would put into doubt the entirety of it while at the same time probably indicting you as more a partisan hack than a homeowner citizen seriously looking to fix the problem. Never the less, this isn't all the fault of homebuyers, or of banks, or of mortgage companies, or of RE agents and brokers, or of even the government. It is, to varying degrees depending on the situation, the fault of all the parties involved. I disagreed with the bank bailouts. And not just because I knew that plenty of Americans would demand their own free stuff (all paid for by the unborn grandkiddies, you know), but for the very reason I oppose bailing out homeowners now: Without negative consequences we can never learn not to repeat our dumb policies of the past.
I would rather we let this market find its true value, and let the financial chips fall where they may, so that people might LEARN from what has happened. What are we learning today? Not much except that most Americans, it seems, think it's entirely appropriate to steal money from people not yet even born so that we can live beyond our means today. And, yep, that is immoral.
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#1.68 - Tue May 1, 2012 8:53 PM EDT
Hi blue burner,
Absent evidence of fraud or extortion or some other criminal action, none of which seems to have any evidence to support the claim, how was anyone "ripped off"? People bought these homes voluntarily, they sought those mortgages voluntarily, they signed all the documents voluntarily. The agent selling the home had no duty to tell people that the market value would fall and so they shouldn't buy. The lender selling the mortgage had no duty to tell people that interest rates might fall, or that the value of homes might decline and they might not be able to pay their loan, and so they shouldn't get the loan.
But they all did have the duty to inform buyers that these things could happen, and everyone who buys a home signs lots of papers which disclose all of this. But no one had a duty to tell these buyers they should not buy. So who was ripped off?
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#1.69 - Tue May 1, 2012 9:02 PM EDT
Absent evidence of fraud or extortion or some other criminal action, none of which seems to have any evidence to support the claim, how was anyone "ripped off"?
Exactly! The terms of the contract (interest rate, payment information, loan terms) were spelled out in the loan and people willingly signed these loans. Just because a historic bubble burst, doesn't mean people don't have to honor their contracts and the terms of the contract are null and void just because the value of your house went down. Look at all the people who had internet stocks in the late 90s... did they get anything when the value of their stocks went down because of that bubble?
And the bank asking you to honor what you agreed to is not "ripping you off" either.
People should be careful about crying about what they want too loudly. If the government keeps getting in the way and introducing these RIDICULOUS ideas like "principal reduction," who do you think it's going to harm the most?
The banks? Don't kid yourself, like any business, the banks will adapt and find ways to be profitable and survive. So, hypothetically speaking, now "principal reduction" becomes some accepted way of doing business (let's hope not!) then the banks will make everyone put 40%-50% down on any house so they can cover the possible loss...OR.... maybe loans will then be written to stipulate that if the homeowner can have their principal reduced because the value of the house went down...that the bank can now increase principal and charge you more for your mortgage because the value of the house went up? ... OR.... they'll just stop loaning money for house purchases altogether, or issue loans solely to people with 825+ credit scores?
You think the banks will allow themselves to be the only party in a contract forced to take ALL the risk?
Dream on. The repercussions of "principal reduction" will not be something to look forward to.
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#1.70 - Wed May 2, 2012 12:25 AM EDT
Uhhh, Rich and Jax--Have you read the news about the govt case against the 5 biggest banks who decided to settle instead of going to court to defend their innocence.? They're paying a lot of money if they didn't do anything wrong. Ever heard of Countrywide? These bankers were devious and blatantly fraudulent, not just to homeowners but to pension funds and other buyers of their Mortgage Backed Securities.
We're not talking about normal market activity where value fluctuates according to natural economic cycles. We're talking about a Depression caused by Banker Greed and Fraud. They caused the problem, let them bear the penalties.
#1.71 - Wed May 2, 2012 10:03 AM EDT
Hi blue burner,
Yes, I have some knowledge of those banks, as well as Countrywide. If there was evidence against them for fraud of some kind against mortgage borrowers we should be able to see it. There really isn't. There are undoubtedly many claims of technical violations, same as in the foreclosure mess, where someone didn't get every paper signed properly before acting, but this isn't fraud. As far as defrauding investors, that could be, though here again we don't really have evidence of much of it, not even with GS, but even if that were rampant it wouldn't have been fraud against the home BUYER, and so they shouldn't get some windfall.
But it could've meant that a pervasive fraud was underway, the type requiring collusion though (which again is not backed up by evidence, where such a fraud induced investors to continue to by MBSs so that the ability to continue to finance risky loans was made possible, so that people could have wrongly concluded the market had room to go up and so they should still buy, but that is a lot of supposition. It's interesting to me though, your reply, for two major reasons.
First, you still cannot accept that any home buyer is responsible for their own action, despite the fact that virtually everyone of them had all the facts and risks presented to them BEFORE they signed the contract. Do you really want to live in a country where people are rewarded for not being responsible? A basic truism of economics is that if you want more of something, subsidize it. So do you actually want more people to be irresponsible, because if not, why do you keep wanting to subsidize it?
Second, you completely ignore the incentives put into the system by the governments you elected to entice firms at all levels to act more risky than was rational. One simple example by way of a question. Had Fannie and Freddie, just those two entities alone, NOT bought up so much risky paper in the secondary market so that primary lenders either had to hold more risk themselves or find more investors to risk their cash in order to continue to sell risky loans to people unlikely to repay them if anything went south, that banks would have conintued to make all those risky loans? My answer is simple. Absolutely not. Had the market been able to operate without the interference of government policy through various ways, whether tax provisions, or chartering F and F to buy more garbage up, far fewer risky loans would have been made. Far fewer people would have overbought. Far fewer homes would have been foreclosed upon. The bubble itself would have been miniscule, if it existed at all. And you, today, would not be whining about trying to force banks to give you something you are not entitled to.
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#1.72 - Wed May 2, 2012 10:56 AM EDT
Hey blue burner,
I should've given you a direct answer about the settlement. Businesses very often settle cases for business reasons. $25 billion, structured as it is, isn't a very pricey amount for those banks in order to get 49 states plus the feds to go away. I think it is in all of their interests for this to be brushed under the rug, so to speak. The banks RATIONALLY took advantage of a system people like you likely voted for, over time, and that advantage looks ugly. And the various governments want money, and lots of the money goes to them, not to homeowners. The feds, for their part, don't really want people like you who consistently vote for ever more government to ever be able to connect the dots that because of all those "feel good" policies, like first buyer credits, mortgage interest deductions, CRA, and so on, all designed to get more people to buy into the American Dream, that you are now seeing your nation suffer economically, you are seeing individuals being financially ruined, and you are seeing many future generations, some not even born, getting saddled with the bill.
The LAST thing the federal government would want is for you to connect those dots. You might, well, vote for less government!
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#1.73 - Wed May 2, 2012 11:07 AM EDT
The problem is not the Republicans. You guys have been listening to Obama's propaganda machine again. De Marco was appointed by Obama not the Republicans and it was done in a recess appointment. Obama and the democrats are only interested in propaganda and blaming the Republicans. The Republicans are not so good with propaganda so you are only hearing the Democrats side of the story. TARP was done by a Democrat led Congress. TARP was designed to make sure that Tax payers did not lose their savings and cost money to the taxpayer because of the FDIC guarantee of $100,000 on all bank accounts. Then When Obama got elected and had a super majority in congress instead of looking for ways to create jobs, fix what went wrong with the Housing market, and stabilize the economy. He started only worrying about Obamacare. That is why we are where we are today. Obama could have gotten anything he wanted passed in Congress, but he was only interested in blaming Bush for the problems and not about fixing it. That was the change you wanted. that is what happens when elect someone who is not qualified to be President and has no leadership experience. He took over companies and Banks and decided how they can run. When he was running Citibank, AIG, GMAC, and the other banks, Obama could have had them forgive every mortgage if he wanted. He chose to do nothing because he can't blame the Republicans for everything that goes wrong.
Congress should force all banks who have Freddie Mac, Fannie Mae, HUD insured, and other federally backed mortgages to lower the interest rate to the Rate they pay when they borrow money from the FED, which is currently 0 or to the highest interest rate paid on a savings account in those banks, which is all under 1%. This will decrease all borrowers monthly payments as there will be no interest. It also increases taxes because if you are not paying Mortgage Interest, you cannot claim a deduction for it. Now you solved 2 problems. People are paying more taxes and there are less foreclosures.
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#1.74 - Wed May 2, 2012 11:54 AM EDT
Hi Rich;
On those taxes, yes there is more, but that post was so long already that I skimmed some detail, Everything about Chase was absolutely true, including my lawyer being snubbed (I guess you'd call it) by one of their lawyers.
As far as the taxes...for 15 years I paid my property taxes myself. When I bought this house, it was a foreclosure and I bid on it and won. It came with a 7% VA mortgage, which is why I bought it since, at the time (1993), interest rates were double digit, and I said to my wife "We are NEVER going to see 7% again!" Yeah, I was wrong. They had an escrow that paid the taxes. A few months later, they sold my mortgage to Longbeach Mortgage Company who didn't carry escrow services, so I was on my own and began paying my taxes on my own. Anyway, taxes are collected in July and December. It was the one before Christmas that was always the difficult one to pay, what with heating oil too. So I talked to the tax clerk (small town...everybody knew each other then) and asked, "If other taxes aren't due until April 15th, why do I have to pay my property taxes by December 21st? And July?" She said it was because of the schools (the biggest property tax drain up here) and the way they 'want' their money. I said why can't I pay everything by February or early March (when I get my income tax return. We had our withholding set at the highest rate, and would always get 9-10 thousand returned) She said that we could legally do that, but because our laws are catered to the whims of the school system, I would have to pay penalties and interest if I did it that way. These amounted to just over $200, so I said to make our lives easier, we'd do that. So as soon as I'd get our refund (nowadays as quickly as 2 weeks after filing) I'd go to town hall and pay my property tax. For 15 year, I never had a problem.
Then, as I mentioned, our town treasurer absconded with over 2 million, which they never recovered when they sent him to prison. Either he's got it stashed for when he gets out, or he'd already spent it. Anyway, the schools cried for money, our illustrious state told our illustrious town to deal with it without any help from them. I guess they weren't insured, so they 'demanded' prompt payment of the taxes...December 21st. For us, that meant the whole year's worth since we hadn't paid July either. The original town tax clerk had long since retired (she was an old lady when I made the arrangement), the current one only elected three years before the embezzlement. She never even contacted me, she went directly to the mortgage company on file (Chase) and told them the town was going to place a tax lien on my house. They never contacted me either. They created an escrow account (which I had never had since the VA mortgage) and paid the taxes to avoid the lien. (When it comes to taking money, the government trumps banks) Nobody told me anything. I got my income tax refund, toddled down to town hall to pay my taxes, and was told they'd already been paid. I said, that's impossible, who paid them? Chase. I said that's impossible again....they don't pay my taxes, I do. Then I got a little bit of the story from her, a little from our local newspaper, and a surprise from Chase...I was now the proud owner of an escrow account. What I should have done was take the money I was going to pay town hall and pay Chase. But I was already a few payments behind, and they were going to apply any money I gave them towards the mortgage. I should have let them do that, but I didn't. That's when I consulted that lawyer about getting 'slammed' into an escrow account I didn't sign up for. He told me they have the right to do that to save their interest in the property, because the all-powerful government can take it on a tax lien. So they did what they had to do to save their investment, then came after me. Best I could get, my original $1635 mortgage, plus $400 for the future year's tax escrow, plus another $400 for 1 year for the tax they'd already paid. Being already hurt by the recession, $2435 per month was impossible when $1635 alone was a hardship. Things went south from there real quick. By the time my wife got her hours back, it was hopeless. Hence the attempt at a mortgage deal, and everything about that was gospel.
To your question...why do they do these things? I don't know. I was one of those people who was skeptical about these homeowners with stories like this about banks and mortgage companies. I too said they can't do this, and besides, it doesn't make sense, it would be in their best interest simply to work with people and help them rather than foreclose, especially since the housing market has been so devastated. Why do they want to end up with houses they can't sell without taking a loss? Because it didn't make any economic sense, I too did not believe these homeowners, even though there were so many of them making these claims. Like I said, what happened to me was a shocker at the time, but now what all these homeowners were saying is being corroborated in the written news, the network news, Nightline, 20/20, etc., and my own personal experience. I'm currently in Chapter 13 bankruptcy trying to save my house. Guess what, they don't even listen to the courts. Since Bush's 2005 Fair Credit Act (can't recall its actual name) signed into law right after winning re-election, with little surprises hidden in it, they no longer have to according to my bankruptcy lawyer. Everything is now geared in favor of the mortgage companies, banks and credit card companies. I'm only partisan because I've been beaten into submission and have seen the how and why of it all. I guess until it happens to you, and you're right in the middle of it, you can be just as skeptical as I was. If you ever find yourself where I am, these commentors who side with the banks will annoy you too.
Damn...another book here!
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#1.75 - Wed May 2, 2012 2:08 PM EDT
"...that because of all those "feel good" policies, like first buyer credits, mortgage interest deductions, CRA, and so on, all designed to get more people to buy into the American Dream, that you are now seeing your nation suffer economically, you are seeing individuals being financially ruined, and you are seeing many future generations, some not even born, getting saddled with the bill."
Really Rich? I thought the meltdown occurred because the banks and mortgage companies were packaging up mortgages and selling them as derivatives, trying to make profit upon profit that only existed on paper at that point. When the market collapsed under its own weight, even the insurance companies (AIG?) couldn't bail out their losses. Had there been a run on their money by people and businesses, the banks would have defaulted and we'd have been in another Great Depression (not that we're far away from it) At least, that's how I heard it. I didn't hear anything about the people being involved until after the meltdown, and people began losing their jobs, their homes, their 401Ks, etc., like...oh...me! Oh, and as we all know, the people's money was given to the banks so they could stay in business.
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#1.76 - Wed May 2, 2012 2:36 PM EDT
Well, what can I say? Rich, you've come up with a nice narrative, but nobody except a banker would believe it. There's just been too much information, documented evidence, about what the banks did to get the country in this predicament. To say that bank malfeasance had nothing to do with this depression, which it is for many, is ludicrous. Read the settlement agreement against them, which lists and describes in detail every one of their indictable acts. Banks gambled at the high stakes table and lost, bringing the walls down around them.
And that old canard that the Community Reinvestment Act forced banks to loan money to any Joe off the street is just a zombie lie that Bank Defenders throw around. Nobody can force banks to loan money to anyone. Period. Ever. It takes all of 2 seconds to access a credit report to show why someone's ineligible for a loan.
Do I have good things to say about the govt's part in this ginormous mess? No. I wouldn't have bailed the banks out at all. I would instead had paid down every homeowner's mortgage, which would have been cheaper than bailing out the banks.
Watch Frontline. They've done an excellent documentary on the financial services industry in this country and the malfeasance of the banking sector.
Thanks for joining in, Steel-Toed. I sincerely hope things get better for you and your family.
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#1.77 - Wed May 2, 2012 5:30 PM EDT
Hey steel toed boot,
I think you missed one point and kind of side-stepped the other. The government can't go to a bank you do business with and make a claim for taxes against you and force the bank to then recoup the taxes through a monthly payment plan. This part of your story simply could not have legally happened. Something in this case might have happened, but it can't be what you claimed. What bank would front the money for someone else's bill, without a contract to do so, and then demand you pay the bill back in the hope only that you would? Um, no.
And you side-stepped the other point about why banks would do so much against their own self-interest if all they care about is their own self-interest. I think you are missing something here, specifically, that principal reductions as a blanket forced policy are certainly not a financially rational path for the banks to follow. Else they would do it in a heartbeat.
Hi blue burner,
Prosecutors, in this case AGs, allege all sorts of things, but this isn't the same as proof they happened. Don't confuse a complaint with a verdict. But like steel toed, you miss the larger point. Banks LOVED the system that was in place, and for all practical purposes REMAINS in place. They didn't want, and don't want, the kind of governmentally subsidized system which brought them billions in profits, far more than the $25 billion they settled with those governments for, to go away. The government has every incentive to blame banks. Banks don't vote, homeowners do. But there is a money story here too, which is that Fannie and Freddie were used, unfortunately, as a cash cow for democrat campaigns for office, or as a reward for service to the democratic party. Franklin Raines was making tens of millions a year, and passing along to DNC coffers even more.
You also miss the point about the CRA and the other incentives for people to operate outside of financially rational zones. CRA didn't force banks to lend money, nor did I make that claim. It incentivized loaning money. And if loaning to someone who is high risk, what better to do but to sell the loan to someone else, much of which was bought up by Fannie and Freddie, which were operating within their government charters to do what they could to increase home ownership in the USA. The point is that these policies created the bubble where some people bought above their financial heads, where some banks loaned to high risk borrowers knowing a profit was to be scored since they'd sell the note almost immediately, and so when values began to decline, like a house of cards it all began to fall apart. Very few people actually broke any laws. But almost everyone violated the laws of economics.
#1.78 - Wed May 2, 2012 6:11 PM EDT
Hi Rich;
I'll make this one short, I promise. I don't know what state you're in, state laws may be different, but I didn't think they were. I'm in NH, and here's how it works, trust me, I'm living it. The town governments in this state can slap a tax lien on your property. I thought that I would be notified, but I wasn't. With a lien, if it isn't paid, they take the property. It's like a foreclosure, but they are all-powerful, more so than the bank. And they went to the real owners (since they hold the mortgage until I pay it off), Chase, and said that they would take the property. They don't want to, of course, they wanted money...fast. Now Chase did not pay the taxes for ME, out of the goodness of their heart. They paid the taxes so that they didn't lose the property to the town. Against the government, they're like us against the banks...helpless and with no recourse.
So I owe these taxes, I'm not trying to say I don't. I just thought that they could not create an escrow account without a contract with me. But the lawyer said yes, they can do practically anything they want because I owe them. Maybe it's a loan where you are, but here on my mortgage statements it is called an escrow account. As far as paying the paid taxes at $400 a month, I don't know if that's routinely done or it was a favor to me, but unfortunately, it was a favor I couldn't afford. And the $400 per month for the future taxes, they can do that because I am deemed a future risk thanks to the damned town lien.
As far as those principle reductions, that's not what I was talking about. I was referring to foreclosures on houses that aren't worth what's owed on them. I think, rather than take the loss, they ought to seriously (not just lip service) try to help the owner stay in the house and continue paying what he agreed to, even if it meant extending the life of the loan from 30 years to 35 years, or reducing the interest and add it on the end or something. I don't agree with principle reduction, but if the pilot program saved the amount they say it did, then they should try doing it. In any case, I believe I owe what I agreed to, I'd just like it tacked onto the end of the mortgage and resume my normal payments. But they're basically stiffing me.
#1.79 - Wed May 2, 2012 9:52 PM EDT
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I see his point (I heard a clip of him speaking a few weeks ago) that homeowners who otherwise wouldn't or don't qualify for principal reduction would have an incentive to stop making payments until they do, which ultimately costs taxpayers more money instead of reducing exposure. A little more information on what qualifies homeowners to receive this benefit would be helpful to know for forming an opinion.
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Reply#2 - Tue May 1, 2012 10:48 AM EDT
A little more information on what qualifies homeowners to receive this benefit would be helpful to know for forming an opinion.
And this is the very problem all the boneheads that think principal reduction is such a great idea don't want to address.
How can this be applied FAIRLY? It's surely not going to be just for people who can't pay their mortgages, is it? Home values went down for almost everyone, even those who can and do pay their mortgages on time. They get a principal reduction, too, right? What about the people who've paid their houses off in full, but the value of their home went down. What's in it for them?
Anyone?
  • 7 votes
#2.1 - Tue May 1, 2012 12:35 PM EDT
Rob, I know people who have requested to have their loans modified and it's a maze of papers and documents. I do believe people have to support their claim when requesting a loan modification and stipulations do exist. That said I feel Mr. DeMarco needs to be fired for two good reasons. One is that he is suppose to follow established/agreed upon policy. He did not follow policy as he chose to apply his own brand of ideology. If he as it appears had an issue then he should have simply stepped down. Secondly, Mr.DeMarco purposely hid and delayed responding to an inquiry because he knew he acted on his own volition. He sure didn't help the situation in any capacity and a U.S. agency head.
That said, I do agree with reducing mortgage principals for varied reasons. As some have stated this would stabilize home values, local and state economies while keeping people in their homes. I believe before pointing the finger entirely at homeowners consider what lenders have done. Why did lenders push for MERS before establishing reliability first? Why are so many loan documents incorrect or even illegal? Why have wrongful foreclosures taken place? Why have lenders been so aggressive to foreclosre regardless for something as little as $1.82 fee? Why are courts asking lenders and/or servicers to present documents supporting their claim to foreclose? Why after a major settlement agreeing to clean up their act would Wells Fargo continue to robo sign foreclosure documents? If I didn't know any better I'd say while everyone is arguing there is a land grab going on right under our noses. The lenders are attempting to gain ownership and control of a lot of properties. Why? Think about it. Decades ago when borrowers were underwater lenders did everything they could to keep them in their homes. What changed that they won't help homeowners now. What reason do they have for not keeping homeowners in their homes.
#2.2 - Tue May 1, 2012 3:36 PM EDT
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More evidence of the severity of corruption in our government. This government agency was actually sabotaging the American Dream of home ownership just like the other government agency that takes away peoples' home to collect taxes. When the government works against the people, the country falls apart. Don't the people in government understand that if destroys the people it governs, it destroys itself?
  • 13 votes
Reply#3 - Tue May 1, 2012 10:52 AM EDT
Where do you think the government gets money to pay for these programs? They take it from those of us that are responsible with our money (namely the middle and upper class).
Why is it ok for someone to come along and take money from me to pay for their mistakes?
  • 2 votes
#3.1 - Tue May 1, 2012 2:45 PM EDT
What you fail to see here is that money is already being used for the purpose of foreclosure which the article describes as being more costly than a principle reduction. If Fannie and Freddie continue doing what they are doing now it will cost all taxpayers more money. On top of that principle reductions can only be done to 1st mortgages which is what Fannie and Freddie control. So all the people commenting here about people buying too much house or taking seconds or getting something for nothing need to realize that reducing principle does not take away added debt it simply saves taxpayers money on the loans that Fannie invested in.
#3.2 - Tue May 1, 2012 3:24 PM EDT
And it sets the precedence (or continues it) that people do not need to be responsible because the taxpayers will bail them out.
As I said earlier, what about the losses I've incurred in the stock market? Is someone going to reimburse me for those funds?
At what point do people start taking personal responsibility for their actions. If there was fraud involved, then I agree with principle reductions, but from everything I've read, fraud is only a small percentage of the cases.
  • 2 votes
#3.3 - Tue May 1, 2012 4:12 PM EDT
Ron,
Actually, you ought to read some of Ron Paul's thoughts on the source of government funds. While I have many, many disagreements with Mr. Paul, he is correct in saying that the government CREATES the money it needs to function. This is how we have always handled our operating budget. We issue bonds and T-bills (debt instruments) to raise the actual funds and use the tax revenue to repay that debt. Even Social Security is financed in this manner, with the payroll tax going into the General Fund (which actually pays the benefits) and any excess written as bonds to the agency. So all Americans end up paying for these actions in either higher taxes, inflated prices, and/or diminished government services.
  • 1 vote
#3.4 - Tue May 1, 2012 5:03 PM EDT
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I lost my job, and fought with BofA for over 18 months trying to simply reduce the interest rate on my loan. They would not budge. I ended up loosing the house after they took every single penny I had in payments during the extended unemployment. They told me we cant do anything until you have a job. When I finally found work, they said well now you have a job, you dont need help. All I asked for was a reduction in my interest rate. It was a fixed 30yr mortgage, not some smoke and mirrors adjustable. I didnt qualify for any program according to them. My family lost everything because of stupid practices like this. And all I asked for was an interest rate reduction.
  • 17 votes
Reply#4 - Tue May 1, 2012 10:59 AM EDT
Joe, it's even worse than that. I worked for a mortgage company that was involved in the HAMP program to help homeowners. The company made it a nightmare for the homeowners, then after months of sending paperwork in and praying they would get relief, they were declined. As soon as they were declined for the modification, the company went to work. Notices of default, fees, attorney letters soon followed. Then they would foreclose on the homeowner.
The company participated in the program cause the govt paid them to. They really didn't care about the people.....they used that trust to attack homeowners. It was sad to hear the crying on the other end of the phone, but the business made money for their wealthy owners and we got some crummy jobs.
  • 1 vote
#4.1 - Tue May 1, 2012 2:13 PM EDT
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I am split on this issue,
In principal a person should be held responsible for the decisions they make, if you are uninformed then, that is your risk.
However many of these underwater loans should of been stopped by the banks and so there trust was broken to uphold good banking standards, they are the professionals and therefore should ultimately be responsible for this.
That all being said, because of the banks failing to do there jobs properly, I would say by default that people in underwater mortgages should be assisted in someway. Even though I would prefer to see them all go down for being greedy and stupid.
  • 5 votes
Reply#5 - Tue May 1, 2012 11:02 AM EDT
The same could be said about all the people that bought homes to try to flip them and make a profit...greedy and stupid.
People got fooled into believing a house was the only sure investment scheme.
#5.1 - Tue May 1, 2012 2:58 PM EDT
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Just another examle of "shrinking the beast" during 2 terms of Bush the younger. They were so busy getting government out of the private sectors way that many of our Federal agencies were sacked and could not do the job they were supposed to do. FEMA, Freddie, banking oversight, oversight of the stockmarket, EPA and the FAA were all crippled during the Bush years. The GOP congress is still at it today. There are roles for these organizations but you can't run them so they can do thier job if they're cut to the bone or loaded with cronnies who hate government and try to cripple it every chance they get.
  • 6 votes
Reply#6 - Tue May 1, 2012 11:04 AM EDT
There were plenty of politicians in BOTH parties that accurately forecast the housing market collapse. It didn't take a PhD in economics to see that housing prices were unsustainable.
You can act like it's a partisan issue if it makes you happy, but the reality is, mistakes were made by politicians in both parties (and presidents from both parties). There was plenty of money available for regulators to address something as obvious as the housing bubble years before it collapsed - but the reality is we (the voters) crucified any politician that made negative comments.
#6.1 - Tue May 1, 2012 2:51 PM EDT
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a moral hazard? lol....bailouts to failing companies in the trillions is a moral hazard
  • 18 votes
Reply#7 - Tue May 1, 2012 11:04 AM EDT
For the record: President Obama appointed Edward J. DeMarco acting director of the Federal Housing Finance Agency, which regulates Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac
  • 3 votes
Reply#8 - Tue May 1, 2012 11:06 AM EDT
For the record
"In December 2010, and President Barack Obama’s nomination to replace DeMarco, former North Carolina banking commissioner Joseph Smith, was approved by the Senate Banking Committee, with three Republican crossing the aisle to support the appointment. But the nomination was blocked by Republicans on the Senate floor, in part because they felt Smith would be too generous in support of homeowners seeking to modify loans held by the government"
  • 12 votes
#8.1 - Tue May 1, 2012 12:10 PM EDT
Yes read that, but where does it say, "And President Obama admitted he screwed up, will replace Demarco, and apologizes to the American people"? Yeah that's what I thought! THAT is what we want then we will be a little more cooperative. As it is he is trying to deflect his responsibility by pointing fingers. We the people have had enough of that from him.
  • 1 vote
#8.2 - Tue May 1, 2012 12:35 PM EDT
Yes this president will apologize for making a mistake. He triedd to change that but the GOP did not want to do that and the polls show he will win again in November so dont be mad that Mccain?palin sticker will wear off sooner or later!!
  • 3 votes
#8.3 - Tue May 1, 2012 1:07 PM EDT
Bob, any nominated position must also be approved by congress. The republican side of congress refused the nomination to replace Demarco.
Therefor, it's not Obama's fault, but the republican controlled majority of congress.
For some stupid reason, many people, including you, believe that the president can appoint anyone he wants to any position in the government. Read the story again. Says the republicans refused the nomination. And because of that, Demarco was not replaced.
Government has three rings. President, Congress, House. In order to get anything done, all 3 have to be pretty much in agreement.
  • 2 votes
#8.4 - Tue May 1, 2012 1:49 PM EDT
Pissedoffperson & KeyOrion -
The Democratic Majority in the Senate voted against nominating Mr. Smith. Republicans DO NOT control the Senate. The House of Representatives does not vote on nominees.
#8.5 - Tue May 1, 2012 2:00 PM EDT
Mario 69,
That is simply not true. Sen. Richard Shelby (R) placed a hold on the nomination. Given the way the procedural filibuster works, the Democrats needed 60 votes to break the hold. Even with the extra three Republicans, they couldn't get that number.
  • 1 vote
#8.6 - Tue May 1, 2012 2:37 PM EDT
Chris -
Sounds like sour grapes in a Democratic Majority Senate.
Mr. Orion did say: "the republican controlled majority of congress." Either mistake or lie.
Ms. Pelosi proved the Democrats' failure to rule or even manage in the House. Mr. Biden fails to lead his own party in the Senate.
Mr. Orion also said: "President, Congress, House. In order to get anything done, all 3 have to be pretty much in agreement." which is not true of appointments. He chose the subject, and missed by a factual mile.
#8.7 - Tue May 1, 2012 4:49 PM EDT
Perhaps he meant that it "wasn't meant to be a factual statement".
#8.8 - Tue May 1, 2012 4:54 PM EDT
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This over site of a program to help people keep their homes was covered up by republicans (former KKK) while they launch a business that would allow the republican party(former KKK) to start a business for buying these homes for pennies on the dollar and renting them back to the orginal home owner with the backing of the US government that the republican party (former KKK) never loses rent. Every business owner should have these same protection and if republican (former KKK) gets its way they will.
  • 4 votes
Reply#9 - Tue May 1, 2012 11:08 AM EDT
Do remember Romney's original assertion to "let the foreclosure process run it's course. Investors will buy the homes and rent them out." Kind of backs you up.
  • 3 votes
#9.1 - Tue May 1, 2012 11:15 AM EDT
What a dumb post.
  • 2 votes
#9.2 - Tue May 1, 2012 11:24 AM EDT
check your history books elvis.
#9.3 - Tue May 1, 2012 12:30 PM EDT
The KKK was founded by Democrats and voted Democrat religiously until the 1960’s, when the Democrat party shifted their platform to instead of alienating minority groups, to start enslaving them through entitlements. The Republican party has never stood for KKK ideals, and the only reason why they would vote Republican, if they really do, is because they hate the Democrat party more for abandoning them.
  • 1 vote
#9.4 - Tue May 1, 2012 5:09 PM EDT
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No @!$%#! Because the "Banks" were going to lose millions if they did. Now the "Banks" have lost millions. What a bunch of idiots running our country!
Reply#10 - Tue May 1, 2012 11:08 AM EDT
The value of those homes was inflated by the unregulated lending practices and the creative financial products designed by the big banks to line their own pockets. If adjusting the house price to a more realistic figure lets more people afford to stay in their homes, everyone wins. A neighborhood doesn't usually fare too well when there are a number of deserted and foreclosed on homes.
  • 7 votes
Reply#11 - Tue May 1, 2012 11:12 AM EDT
Correct. Even people with no mortgage benefit when we help people stay in their homes. Property values don't crash on the innocent neighbors.
  • 4 votes
#11.1 - Tue May 1, 2012 12:32 PM EDT
Correct. Even people with no mortgage benefit when we help people stay in their homes. Property values don't crash on the innocent neighbors.
Brilliant. So now that the incentive to pay your mortgage on the agreed amount has been completely removed, why would anyone do it? Why wouldn't the innocent neighbors then demand that their principal be reduced as well? Why wouldn't they be entitled to it?
It seems people just can't think things through to their logical conclusions any more.
  • 2 votes
#11.2 - Tue May 1, 2012 12:42 PM EDT
Actually the foreclosed homes are being bought, sometimes in bulk, to wealthy investors. They use the Bush tax cuts to buy up the homes of the former middle class.
  • 1 vote
#11.3 - Tue May 1, 2012 2:17 PM EDT
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Joe 6 pack..
Banks aren't there to actually HELP you or any other sinking homeowners! They simply don't CARE.. You have to realize from the top to the bottom of a bank's hierarchy they don't give a crap about human beings, they ONLY care about 'the bottom line'.. 'PEOPLE' don't enter into the equation, you are nothing but an account number to them! The CEO's and exec's that run your bank never see you or any other customer as a 'person', you are their next BMW or their next summer vacation home or their next corporate jet, that's all.. You are literally nothing more then a dollar sign to them and your problems mean absolutely nothing to them.. If people would get this fact through their head they wouldn't waste their time trying to get these institutions to ACT like they are part of the human race.. They are not!
  • 7 votes
Reply#12 - Tue May 1, 2012 11:14 AM EDT
Fire DeMarco. Put HIM out of a job. Put him on a terrorist watch list or some other thing so HE CAN NEVER WORK AGAIN.
I want HIM on the street living under a bridge with the REST of the CEO's that DESTROYED OUR ECONOMY.
Oh yeah. AND GIVE THE BIG BANKS THE CORPORATE DEATH PENALTY.
  • 9 votes
#12.1 - Tue May 1, 2012 12:01 PM EDT
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No they don't want to help the little guy to stay in his/her home but they'll bailout corporations and banks, the same banks that screwed over the economy. Yeah that makes sense. I lost my job 3 days after we moved into our brand new house. Thankfully hubby did not. I would never ask the bank to reduce principal but interest is another story. What is interest? I put up a piece of property and a house against my mortgage, what did they put up? I jokingly asked the bank lady when we signed the mortgage if I could see this interest they were putting up as collateral on the loan and she became angry for me asking this question. Hence all I got was thin air. If you think I'm someone who wants to get away with getting something for nothing, think again. I haven't missed any payments but until I find work again my heart will be in my throat every day.
  • 9 votes
Reply#13 - Tue May 1, 2012 11:21 AM EDT
The real reason he didn't implement the program? Because he's looking for a nice, comfy place at BofA or some other major bank when he leaves Government service. The banks stand to lose significant profit when you start reducing principal amounts, and they don't want that to happen. Standard Government manager mentality: Do a favor for a company, one that makes or saves them a ton of money, they owe you a favor in return.
  • 13 votes
Reply#14 - Tue May 1, 2012 11:40 AM EDT
Why does this country keep Fannie Mae, they have done nothing but mess up the entire morgage industry. If you have an hourly wage of $10 or less, of course you are OK to buy a $500,000 house even if you know you can't pay for it.
Stop this madness, this administration and the entire government is totaly messed up.
  • 3 votes
Reply#15 - Tue May 1, 2012 11:42 AM EDT
You know, Fannie and Freddie never controlled the lending industry. Private banks were never forced to make bad loans regardless of what you've heard. The truth is that Big Banking has been lobbying for an unregulated credit market since Nixon. They finally got what they wanted starting with Regan, and the outcomes was that by the beginning of 1999 they rushed healdong into making subprime loans the very second that the law was rewritten. And Wall Street followed suit with credit default swaps that have RUINED the world economies. Fannie and Freddi had nothing to do with that.
And you know how all that turned out.
  • 5 votes
#15.1 - Tue May 1, 2012 12:16 PM EDT
@Ron: You are ill-informed on the subject. You (and people in general) should refrain from commenting on subjects about which you/they are ill-informed.
And a tip: view any information you receive from a Fox-affiliated source, from radio talk shows and via chain email with a very jaundiced eye: chances are you are receiving agenda-laden propaganda, half-truths and/or blatantly false misinformation, not actual facts.
  • 4 votes
#15.2 - Tue May 1, 2012 1:37 PM EDT
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clock-in and pretend to do something, Cummins & Thierny press release is to destabilize DeMarco to the point of quitting and hopefully get someone @ FHFA admistratively rule to implement and execute what the other 100 legislators think what best to do without legislating...let the good times roll...clock-in and pretend to be working for the good of the people
  • 1 vote
Reply#16 - Tue May 1, 2012 11:46 AM EDT
I always knew there was a "punisher" in the republican party, and now he steps forward unmasked in the person of De Marco. Decidedly unChristian of him, and them.
  • 5 votes
Reply#17 - Tue May 1, 2012 11:54 AM EDT
De Marco is such a hypocrite.
The truth is that the mortgage/credit default swap crisis was an enormous scam perpetrated on the American public, and at their expense. The perpetrators have abused morality without shame or hesitation. Nobody in Banking or Government has clean hands here, and they have lost the right to pass judgement on what the public has or has not done. I'm certain the De Marco worked in Banking before taking this job, so this is just a bone thrown to his former employers who don't deserve it at all.
De Marco is really saying that help only exists for rich corporate interest, who can have it without comment or censure while still getting their bonuses. But he thinks that the public deserves his contempt.
Fire the ba$.tar.D!!!
  • 8 votes
Reply#18 - Tue May 1, 2012 12:02 PM EDT
clock-in and pretend to be working. Cummins and Thierney's press release is designed to destabilized DeMarco to quit and someone get someelse else @FHFA to administratively rule and execute what the other 100 legislators in congress think is best to be done without legislating. What a protective political cover?... keep on rolling...clock-in and pretend to be working. p.s. when a person such as DeMarco is designated acting administratively, is it a tenured protected job?
  • 2 votes
Reply#19 - Tue May 1, 2012 12:04 PM EDT
If we can't help people who need it, then we aren't much of a Christian nation. What has happened to "love thy neighbor" or "help the poor"? It is all about greed. God is watching all of this with disgust and he will have the last word to all of you.
  • 6 votes
Reply#20 - Tue May 1, 2012 12:05 PM EDT
Once again Republicans refusing to act in Congress in order to oppose executive responsibilities of the President have left the American people on a lurch. Once again I see that power for the GOP comes before duty to the country and the people these shysters are supposed to be serving.
  • 9 votes
Reply#21 - Tue May 1, 2012 12:06 PM EDT
DeMarco's resistance to the idea is based on his "philosophical" opposition to reducing the amount a homeowner owes
I have a "philosophical" objection to putting people out on the street due to a cynical manipulation of the housing market by lenders in order to increase short-term profits.
That and $3 will buy me a cup of coffee.
  • 9 votes
Reply#22 - Tue May 1, 2012 12:08 PM EDT
De Marco is absolutely right. It would be morally dubious to reward banks for making loans they knew to be bad (and they all did), just like it would be morally dubious to reward would-be and ignorant homeowners by reworking a deal that was bad in the first place. If homeowners must lose their homes over this deception, then bank owners should lose their banks too. That's only fair.
  • 7 votes
Reply#23 - Tue May 1, 2012 12:08 PM EDT
Thank you so much LBJ, Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton!!
#23.1 - Tue May 1, 2012 3:31 PM EDT
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I find it absolutely astounding that no Wall Street bankers have gone to prison yet for the mortgage/credit defualt swap crisis. They are certainly making the public pay dearly for having believed their lies.
  • 11 votes
Reply#24 - Tue May 1, 2012 12:09 PM EDT
The US is suffering under the most divisive and incompetent administration in US History. The people of the US now fear from the most serious to the least: Democrats, News journalists, anarchists, environmentalists, al Qaeda.
  • 3 votes
Reply#25 - Tue May 1, 2012 12:11 PM EDT
Seriously? That's what you get from this?
Critical thinking is a concept you should investigate, my friend. You might find it comes in handy sometimes.
  • 3 votes
#25.1 - Tue May 1, 2012 1:39 PM EDT
Before GWB II and the GOP, in their infinite wisdom modified the U.S. Bankruptcy Code, the Banrupcy Courts had the inherent authority to "cram down" mortgages to an mount the property was worth,and the homeowner could afford. This was eliminated in the revisions. Perhaps now it is time to legislate such provisions back into the code considering the current fiscal mess, and the refusal of mortgage holders to reduce the principal amounts in line with actual values of the properties.
Instead, we see greed once again controlling everything, in spite of the Fed bailing out banks and providing 0 interest loans to these same institutions. Isn't it about time to say enough?
  • 1 vote
#25.2 - Tue May 1, 2012 3:12 PM EDT
Xant!
Where do you get this utter nonsense? How about a little documentation for that rant? Short of lying down and begging the GOP?Teaparty to run over him with more and more concessions, Obama has done everything possible to work with the GOP. Sorry, the remnants of the Late, Once Great GOP has become all that you discribe: the most devisive and incompetent Political Party in U.S. History. No solutions, no answers, and after three GOP Administrations attempted application of failed trickle down theory, Romney, Ryan, and the GOP want to do it all over again! I guess 50% of all Americans living in poverty, combined with 40% of all wealth in the hands of the top 2% isn't good enough for you!
  • 1 vote
#25.3 - Tue May 1, 2012 3:19 PM EDT
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